Curse

Ninja Ninja · May 06, 2010, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage

Yes, I am absolutely aware of that. Should all speedbookers be banned then?

Yes anyone exploiting the game should be banned.

fires element · May 06, 2010, 09:47 PM // 21:47

i read your interaction with gaile and think i have a decent grasp on what happened. you admitted you bought a tome strictly for the purpose of getting LDoA and LS on the same character because no one else had it. i assume you had played the game long enough to know that tomes did not drop in pre-searing, so you had to know that the item in question was brought there by an exploit no other way around that. and i may be wrong but tomes only drop in hard mode which doesn't exist in pre so there is no way possible for it to have been a drop. so you have already knowingly bought an exploited item with the intention of getting 2 titles that are listed as mutally exclusive. that being said i have no sympathy for you since you knowingly bought the tome with the intention of breaking the rules and getting 2 titles on the same character that there was no other way of doing than other than cheating

gone · May 06, 2010, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage

Now your just being a troll. As I mentioned, there are many exploits in this game being currently utilized to complete missions via bugs, characters to areas they have not unlocked on their own, etc... Half of them are listed right on the wikipedia page. I suppose to should contact support next time I try to get another consulate docks ferry...

stop trying to white knight a person who KNOWINGLY exploited. and lol @ the troll paint brush. I could give a damn about other sploits being used atm. we're not talking about those, or I'm not talking about those. trying to hide from one exploit via others is what kids do.

~I knew the gun was loaded, but didn't know it killed.

Arduin · May 06, 2010, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Policy changes: Gaile releases the new info regarding these items. I move my character to post Searing straight away. (Could have been a few days before or after, don't remember exactly)

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Yet one week later they change it around. Then it became lousy. Before the policy, I did not break a single rule. After the policy I did not break a single rule either, cuz I immediatly remove the character from Pre-Searing..

So DID you remove your character directly from pre-sear after the policy change, or were you still going for the LDoA title?

You didn't tell us the entire story in the beginning of the thread, I'm wondering if there is more to come.

QueenofDeath · May 06, 2010, 09:52 PM // 21:52

I guess the OP doesn't know about if you buy "stolen" property you become an "accomplice" to the crime. He should have thought "if it's too good to be true it's usually a SCAM or a CRIME or an EXPLOIT....therefore I have no symphathy and his ban should remain in effect permanently.

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Killed u man · May 06, 2010, 09:53 PM // 21:53

Flubber,

You're suggesting everyone in PvP who ever bodyblocked (Aka try to desync an enemy player by stepping in front of him) should get perma banned?

People who bodyblock ghostly, and thus abuse his AI (Exploit) should get banned?

What about people who Z-Axis drop a flag on certain GvG maps, should they not get banned?

What about a person who buys an item of which Anet said buying it wouldn't get you banned?

Those are all scenario's in which people "knowingly" (as you like to call it) enter a greyzone, but apperently won't get you banned. And my case is even stronger, because they specifically say they won't ban for it.

You're talking about being an adult, and everyone else being children when you don't even grasp the the intire impact of your own words.

@Arduin:

Let me get this straight, I bought the item before the policy changes. Let there be no doubt about that for starters. Then when Gaile released her announcement regarding these items, I had already gotten LDoA, but I don't know if I still was in Pre or not. On top of that, I also don't know if I played that exact day to log in and sear the character.

All I know is that as soon as I realized the item I bought was the result of an exploit, I tried my utter best to follow her rules. And I remember completing some ascalon missions within days after that policy change, so I definatly did not stay in Pre long after she posted it.

CronkTheImpaler · May 06, 2010, 09:54 PM // 21:54

If this has been addressed then i digress. I noticed you started a thread on may 19, 2009 about a perma ban you received. Is this the same ban were talking about?

I say if you bought an item (tome) IN PRE for lets say..15k then you MUST have known something was not right. If you truley did all that you say then you got hosed plain and simple.

However i noticed you have started tons of threads regarding bot's hacks and other 3rd client issues. Is this just a curiousity or is there some other reason for this dubious interest?

Im just sayin...kinda ....hmmmmm

Cronk

Karate Jesus · May 06, 2010, 09:55 PM // 21:55

You can't use exploits to get both LDoA and Survivor on an account without people noticing. It was a poor move and you should have known better.

Even after it was published that you weren't supposed to use these items in pre, you continued to work on LDoA and Legendary Survivor. That's not ok and you got busted on it.

Give up. You cheated. You lost.

Coverticus · May 06, 2010, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Killed U Man

It has already been posted before that I did NOT abuse an exploit. I merely bought an item. The first pary of this rule doesn't even apply to me.

Oh please, are you serious? Of course you abused something - you knew damn well that a tome should not exist in Pre Searing, yet you bought it and obtained a skill that should not have been available in Pre period. That by definition is exploiting the game to further your titles. Therefore, a banning is justifiable purely on that basis, irrespective on the EULA changing afterwards or not.

However, what I do agree with you on is that others have not been penalised (that we/you know of). It most certainly does seem that you may have been singled out (probably because of LDOA/Survivor) but its time to draw the line, suck it up. Once ANet have made their stance, very very rarely do they overturn the decision.

Edit:
Gaile's response in the wiki thread,while a touch harsh possibly, sums it up:

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Let me put it more simply: You cheated. Your account was closed. The end. -- Gaile 20:43, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Bob Slydell · May 06, 2010, 09:58 PM // 21:58

If you really were innocent or deserving of a second chance you would have gotten one - which makes me believe there is more to this story then just "i got banned for unknowingly buying one exploited item" comon, arenanet has LOGS.

Jugalo Dano · May 06, 2010, 10:01 PM // 22:01

I think perma banned is a bit harsh, so long as you were truly clueless as to it's legality at the time. Temp ban sure, but not permanent.

I'm betting though that it has been so long of a perma ban now that they may have removed your account info from their servers, since you said the German customer service guys were unable to look at your information.

gone · May 06, 2010, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Flubber,

You're suggesting everyone in PvP who ever bodyblocked (Aka try to desync an enemy player by stepping in front of him) should get perma banned?

Nothing to do with this topic at hand.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

People who bodyblock ghostly, and thus abuse his AI (Exploit) should get banned?

Did it involve tomes in pre? and using them to gain otherwise un-accessable skills?

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

What about people who Z-Axis drop a flag on certain GvG maps, should they not get banned?

see above.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

What about a person who buys an item of which Anet said buying it wouldn't get you banned?

Rules change. LSD used to be legal, then one day it wasn't. no more legal kool-aide parties.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Those are all scenario's in which people "knowingly" (as you like to call it) enter a greyzone, but apperently won't get you banned. And my case is even stronger, because they specifically say they won't ban for it.

see above.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

You're talking about being an adult, and everyone else being children when you don't even grasp the the intire impact of your own words.

As an adult, I don't enter "grayzones" without full well knowing the consequences.

Killed u man · May 06, 2010, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Yes Cronk, that is the same ban. If you ever played in Pre-Searing, you know the prizes differ from Post-Searing. Black dyes are the main currency holder there (they ectos of pre searing so to speak) and perfect weapon (for pre standards) cost up to 100K whereas they would be completely worthless in Post-Searing.

So no, this was no "too good to be true" scenario. I don't know how much I exactly payed for the tome, but I remember it being no more than 20-50K. (because this was all I had at the time)

I also remember I bought it on PreSearing.com, so I could check my posts there to see how much I exactly paid, but that's completely besides the point.

The point is that Gaile said you wouldn't get banned for these items. And that was 7-14days after they got released. In the days leading up to her statement, people were cautious, but the general consensus was that they were alright.

Gift3d · May 06, 2010, 10:02 PM // 22:02

you knew damn well what you were doing, you knew damn well it was a glitched over item, and now you got slapped in the face for it. given pre is crap and doesn't mean anything, you also know damn well how infested this video game is with self-righteous carebears who keep /report on ctrl+v all day.

your fault for not knowing better.

Karate Jesus · May 06, 2010, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by Jugalo Dano

I think perma banned is a bit harsh, so long as you were truly clueless as to it's legality at the time. Temp ban sure, but not permanent.

I'm betting though that it has been so long of a perma ban now that they may have removed your account info from their servers, since you said the German customer service guys were unable to look at your information.

Nah, he deserved it. Especially for putting Gaile/support through this much shit and pretending like he was innocent.

Come on. Using a tome to get a rez in pre? Everyone knows that's a no-no.

lohrok · May 06, 2010, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Here is your problem. First I don't care if you are guilty or not, not my place to judge. but here are the facts just like in real life. If you bought something out of someone’s trunk say T.V. later that evening the police knock on your door with a warrant for purchasing stolen goods which they can and will do. Even though you did not know the T.V. was stolen you still purchased stolen property. It is a common sense thing you should know not to buy the TV out of a trunk of a car to start with.

Gabriel of Ravn · May 06, 2010, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Nothing but QQ look you got caught buying an item from someone that you knew used an exploit to get that item to the area.

nembool · May 06, 2010, 10:06 PM // 22:06

I have some sympathy with your situation, having been perma-banned myself (reversed in short order upon appeal due to a mistake).

Here's what I suggest:-
I don't know which country or state you live in, so cannot give you actual legal advice, but most civilised countries have consumer rights laws, which provide you with protection from unscrupulous sellers/marketers/companies. Try looking into your consumer rights and make sure you publicise your findings at each turn. If there's one thing companies hate, it's bad publicity.

All of this depends upon the veracity of your statements, which I will not address here as I have no knowledge of them.

Voodoo Rage · May 06, 2010, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

Yes anyone exploiting the game should be banned.

Well, that is beyond ridiculous. Where do you draw the line then? How about a consulate docks run to get maximum armor prematurely? That is an exploited cheat by any definition. Perma-ban all those people too?

CronkTheImpaler · May 06, 2010, 10:07 PM // 22:07

I think i see what your hammerin at here. What i was tryin to say (and not very well i guess) was that you posted about a perma ban on this very issue over a year ago. I was underthe impression this just happened within the last month?

Maybe i have the time line wayyyy off. If so i apologize. On the topic of the reg tome.. why in the name of all things holy would you buy a tome for 20-50k?? pre or not?? Also i have never seen black dyes 1000-2000% higher in pre. and thats not close to the markup on that tome you bought.

Didnt you think this is wrong or why the Frck am i payin 50k for a 1k item?

i guess it just seems kinda hinky man. this just screams "there is more to the story!!!"

Cronk